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illuminati
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Posted - 2004.07.13 07:23:00 -
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Mr nStuff, you sound like an electronics salesman. You> So you want me to buy that 1000$ TV instead of the 500$ one in your ad, why? Salesman> Just look at them, the reason is obvious! ... uhm ok ...
Quote: People feel safe there, leave their ships, and then I come along and impound them for littering the space lanes.
I've made a fortune solo, just because of safespots and so I would hate to see them go. People feel safe there, leave their ships, and then I come along and impound them for littering the space lanes.
You couldnt find a safespot 60AU from nearest stellar object in a week. Why? Because you cant rightclick and "warp X AU" in the chosen direction. I see your bull about this in lots of posts but the only thing you can find is noob-safespots. And IF you find one, warping out takes 10 seconds max, thanks for stopping by!
Quote: How can a small fleet hit and run if it can't run?
How is a wing of pilots running if they are sitting midspace doing nothing, laughing and having a good time?
Ship costs are now down alot due to insurance so it wouldnt greif people to death if they lost a ship a bit more often. Please implement possible tracking under 5 minutes to improve PvP and warfare. I see wonderful new tactics coming with "no pilots in space on map" combined with this, requiring actual tactics, scouting and ACTUAL guerilla hit-and-run tactics.
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illuminati
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Posted - 2004.07.13 07:23:00 -
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Mr nStuff, you sound like an electronics salesman. You> So you want me to buy that 1000$ TV instead of the 500$ one in your ad, why? Salesman> Just look at them, the reason is obvious! ... uhm ok ...
Quote: People feel safe there, leave their ships, and then I come along and impound them for littering the space lanes.
I've made a fortune solo, just because of safespots and so I would hate to see them go. People feel safe there, leave their ships, and then I come along and impound them for littering the space lanes.
You couldnt find a safespot 60AU from nearest stellar object in a week. Why? Because you cant rightclick and "warp X AU" in the chosen direction. I see your bull about this in lots of posts but the only thing you can find is noob-safespots. And IF you find one, warping out takes 10 seconds max, thanks for stopping by!
Quote: How can a small fleet hit and run if it can't run?
How is a wing of pilots running if they are sitting midspace doing nothing, laughing and having a good time?
Ship costs are now down alot due to insurance so it wouldnt greif people to death if they lost a ship a bit more often. Please implement possible tracking under 5 minutes to improve PvP and warfare. I see wonderful new tactics coming with "no pilots in space on map" combined with this, requiring actual tactics, scouting and ACTUAL guerilla hit-and-run tactics.
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2004.07.13 07:35:00 -
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Originally by: illuminati Mr nStuff, you sound like an electronics salesman. You> So you want me to buy that 1000$ TV instead of the 500$ one, why? Salesman> Just look at them, the reason is obvious! ... uhm ok ...
I'm confused.. Am I the sales man or the other guy?
Anyways.. We know what I say is the truth.. Lets just leave it at that.
5 R&D Agents, 10months, Zero BPO Offers.. Onboard navigational [Planetary Avoidance] computer.
My account will be suspended at the end of the current play period. Expires on 19. September 2004 |
Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2004.07.13 07:35:00 -
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Originally by: illuminati Mr nStuff, you sound like an electronics salesman. You> So you want me to buy that 1000$ TV instead of the 500$ one, why? Salesman> Just look at them, the reason is obvious! ... uhm ok ...
I'm confused.. Am I the sales man or the other guy?
Anyways.. We know what I say is the truth.. Lets just leave it at that.
5 R&D Agents, 10months, Zero BPO Offers.. Onboard navigational [Planetary Avoidance] computer.
My account will be suspended at the end of the current play period. Expires on 19. September 2004 |
illuminati
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Posted - 2004.07.13 07:37:00 -
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Originally by: Mr nStuff Anyways.. We know what I say is the truth.. Lets just leave it at that.
You just helped me get that point across, thanks, really thanks man!
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illuminati
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Posted - 2004.07.13 07:37:00 -
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Originally by: Mr nStuff Anyways.. We know what I say is the truth.. Lets just leave it at that.
You just helped me get that point across, thanks, really thanks man!
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2004.07.13 07:40:00 -
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I don't think you really made any points yet.
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2004.07.13 07:40:00 -
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I don't think you really made any points yet.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.07.13 07:45:00 -
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I told you Mr N Stuff is not all there.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.07.13 07:45:00 -
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I told you Mr N Stuff is not all there.
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2004.07.13 07:47:00 -
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If you guys entered a racing contest and lost all the time. You would probably be in here complaining that some ships travel faster than others.
5 R&D Agents, 10months, Zero BPO Offers.. Onboard navigational [Planetary Avoidance] computer.
My account will be suspended at the end of the current play period. Expires on 19. September 2004 |
Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2004.07.13 07:47:00 -
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If you guys entered a racing contest and lost all the time. You would probably be in here complaining that some ships travel faster than others.
5 R&D Agents, 10months, Zero BPO Offers.. Onboard navigational [Planetary Avoidance] computer.
My account will be suspended at the end of the current play period. Expires on 19. September 2004 |
FoRGyL
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Posted - 2004.07.13 07:56:00 -
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And how is the pirating in 0,1-0,4 suppose to be I think Sp shall still be, and the loggoff podvanish thing has to go.
I can see all your points in 0.0 but I don't think it applies empirehunting.
The Rcu can hide but soo can I or atleast to make them get use to my presence. And don't come with some honur PvPbull**** coz we have to make a living as well.
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FoRGyL
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Posted - 2004.07.13 07:56:00 -
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And how is the pirating in 0,1-0,4 suppose to be I think Sp shall still be, and the loggoff podvanish thing has to go.
I can see all your points in 0.0 but I don't think it applies empirehunting.
The Rcu can hide but soo can I or atleast to make them get use to my presence. And don't come with some honur PvPbull**** coz we have to make a living as well.
-out-
********************************************************* Ohhhh iyayaayaya puff ohh iyaayaya puff puff PVR =Player vs Roid! Burr, scary peps!!! |
Lerner
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Posted - 2004.07.13 08:11:00 -
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Um why not just give us Beacons they could fire and attach to a ship?? Would be a way of tracking pirates and those who run from a fight. You could set a timer so it only lasts for say a few minutes.
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Lerner
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Posted - 2004.07.13 08:11:00 -
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Um why not just give us Beacons they could fire and attach to a ship?? Would be a way of tracking pirates and those who run from a fight. You could set a timer so it only lasts for say a few minutes.
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Avon
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Posted - 2004.07.13 08:12:00 -
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I hate it when people warp to safe spots. I warp to safespots when I have to deal with RL stuff. (changing nappies, smoking, answering nature's sweet call, madly tidying the house before the wife gets home...)
Thus I hate myself.
:/
I'll make you a deal ... I'll vote for the removal of safespots if you promise not to question me if I need to log to do RL stuff.
Never happen though - people who log when there is the potential for conflict are always thought of with less respect than people who warp away to safespots. End result is the same though - you can't kill them, they can't kill you ... not really sure I know what the problem is. ______________________________________________
Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience. |
Avon
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Posted - 2004.07.13 08:12:00 -
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I hate it when people warp to safe spots. I warp to safespots when I have to deal with RL stuff. (changing nappies, smoking, answering nature's sweet call, madly tidying the house before the wife gets home...)
Thus I hate myself.
:/
I'll make you a deal ... I'll vote for the removal of safespots if you promise not to question me if I need to log to do RL stuff.
Never happen though - people who log when there is the potential for conflict are always thought of with less respect than people who warp away to safespots. End result is the same though - you can't kill them, they can't kill you ... not really sure I know what the problem is. ______________________________________________
Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience. |
Saal Iverson
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Posted - 2004.07.13 08:34:00 -
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Safespots are very much part of the game as corp theft, both take time to trackdown and deal with my friend. Saal Iverson - The Council (C6) |
Saal Iverson
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Posted - 2004.07.13 08:34:00 -
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Safespots are very much part of the game as corp theft, both take time to trackdown and deal with my friend. Saal Iverson - The Council (C6) |
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Crunch Freeman
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Posted - 2004.07.13 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Sinist Next person who says that there should be safespots in Eve will receive negative standing to me personally. Thank you. End this nonsense. Go play a wimp game like Everquest.
Oh no!!! Please not that. I don't think I could live with my self if I had a negative personal standing with you. By the way, who are you and why should I care? Geeze, go back to playing Quake if you can't deal with it.
Safe spots are a viable option to those who are not kitted out to pvp or are not into pvp. There are plenty other targets out there for you to pick on that are willing to fight against you so let those that arn't go to their safe spot and wait out the heat. If you have a bunch of clowns that are sitting in a safe spot just to taunt you then click block and they will go away, I promise. Going to a safe spot is no different than going to a station and docking but if there is no station around then it is the only other alternative. What next, you want to prohibit people from docking in a station?
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Crunch Freeman
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Posted - 2004.07.13 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Sinist Next person who says that there should be safespots in Eve will receive negative standing to me personally. Thank you. End this nonsense. Go play a wimp game like Everquest.
Oh no!!! Please not that. I don't think I could live with my self if I had a negative personal standing with you. By the way, who are you and why should I care? Geeze, go back to playing Quake if you can't deal with it.
Safe spots are a viable option to those who are not kitted out to pvp or are not into pvp. There are plenty other targets out there for you to pick on that are willing to fight against you so let those that arn't go to their safe spot and wait out the heat. If you have a bunch of clowns that are sitting in a safe spot just to taunt you then click block and they will go away, I promise. Going to a safe spot is no different than going to a station and docking but if there is no station around then it is the only other alternative. What next, you want to prohibit people from docking in a station?
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Kuggington
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Posted - 2004.07.13 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: Sinist Next person who says that there should be safespots in Eve will receive negative standing to me personally.
Safespots should be in Eve :)
But in all seriousness although I have no experience in making, finding, or using safespots, I believe that there has to be a way for people to run away from a battle if they don't want to fight and since jumping to another system has been taken away (mostly) due to gate camping and mobile warp disruptors, the only other means to do this is to warp somewhere (which could be stopped by warp scramblers if you are quick enough). Warping to a planet or other object in a system is also not a viable option because it would be far too easy to follow. It seems that all the people that want safespots to go do not want to be clever enough to find a way around them.
The ones who came up with safespots were simply outsmarting the pirates or whoever was attacking them which of course upset the assailants. So instead of finding other players to attack or taking the time to either find the safespot or prevent them from being effective they come to the forums and whine.
I have heard of triangulation becoming a possiblity with Shiva so all those who hate safespots just wait for Shiva like the rest of us that want new features.
PS: Sorry for the long sentences.
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Kuggington
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Posted - 2004.07.13 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: Sinist Next person who says that there should be safespots in Eve will receive negative standing to me personally.
Safespots should be in Eve :)
But in all seriousness although I have no experience in making, finding, or using safespots, I believe that there has to be a way for people to run away from a battle if they don't want to fight and since jumping to another system has been taken away (mostly) due to gate camping and mobile warp disruptors, the only other means to do this is to warp somewhere (which could be stopped by warp scramblers if you are quick enough). Warping to a planet or other object in a system is also not a viable option because it would be far too easy to follow. It seems that all the people that want safespots to go do not want to be clever enough to find a way around them.
The ones who came up with safespots were simply outsmarting the pirates or whoever was attacking them which of course upset the assailants. So instead of finding other players to attack or taking the time to either find the safespot or prevent them from being effective they come to the forums and whine.
I have heard of triangulation becoming a possiblity with Shiva so all those who hate safespots just wait for Shiva like the rest of us that want new features.
PS: Sorry for the long sentences.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.07.13 09:37:00 -
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Originally by: Crunch Freeman
Originally by: Sinist Next person who says that there should be safespots in Eve will receive negative standing to me personally. Thank you. End this nonsense. Go play a wimp game like Everquest.
Oh no!!! Please not that. I don't think I could live with my self if I had a negative personal standing with you. By the way, who are you and why should I care? Geeze, go back to playing Quake if you can't deal with it.
Safe spots are a viable option to those who are not kitted out to pvp or are not into pvp. There are plenty other targets out there for you to pick on that are willing to fight against you so let those that arn't go to their safe spot and wait out the heat. If you have a bunch of clowns that are sitting in a safe spot just to taunt you then click block and they will go away, I promise. Going to a safe spot is no different than going to a station and docking but if there is no station around then it is the only other alternative. What next, you want to prohibit people from docking in a station?
Then goto a moon. If you arent into PvP or Combat and you go into 0.0 then you deserve to die. Stay in Empire. NPC's will attack you and so will Players. IF you want to be a girl and warp to a deadspot in space where likely noone is going to find you then so be it. You will have bad standing with me. I dont agree with it and it is my right to set you at bad personal standing. You should go play a game like Tale in the desert which doesnt have combat. Why do you go into 0.0? To grief people by safespotting all over being invincible in the most dangerous places in Eve( or close enough). Or you like cmaping a system as a wannabee alliance or corporation/pirates and then safespotting at first sign of trouble? Please.
If you werent in noob starter corp you would of had a war declaration. Nub.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.07.13 09:37:00 -
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Originally by: Crunch Freeman
Originally by: Sinist Next person who says that there should be safespots in Eve will receive negative standing to me personally. Thank you. End this nonsense. Go play a wimp game like Everquest.
Oh no!!! Please not that. I don't think I could live with my self if I had a negative personal standing with you. By the way, who are you and why should I care? Geeze, go back to playing Quake if you can't deal with it.
Safe spots are a viable option to those who are not kitted out to pvp or are not into pvp. There are plenty other targets out there for you to pick on that are willing to fight against you so let those that arn't go to their safe spot and wait out the heat. If you have a bunch of clowns that are sitting in a safe spot just to taunt you then click block and they will go away, I promise. Going to a safe spot is no different than going to a station and docking but if there is no station around then it is the only other alternative. What next, you want to prohibit people from docking in a station?
Then goto a moon. If you arent into PvP or Combat and you go into 0.0 then you deserve to die. Stay in Empire. NPC's will attack you and so will Players. IF you want to be a girl and warp to a deadspot in space where likely noone is going to find you then so be it. You will have bad standing with me. I dont agree with it and it is my right to set you at bad personal standing. You should go play a game like Tale in the desert which doesnt have combat. Why do you go into 0.0? To grief people by safespotting all over being invincible in the most dangerous places in Eve( or close enough). Or you like cmaping a system as a wannabee alliance or corporation/pirates and then safespotting at first sign of trouble? Please.
If you werent in noob starter corp you would of had a war declaration. Nub.
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hatchette
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Posted - 2004.07.13 09:44:00 -
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If safespots are removed.. blob wars will only get bigger. Guerilla attacks.. and most pirating will go away.
And instead of safespot hugging, we'll have gate hugging.
I don't think this is what we want.
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hatchette
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Posted - 2004.07.13 09:44:00 -
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If safespots are removed.. blob wars will only get bigger. Guerilla attacks.. and most pirating will go away.
And instead of safespot hugging, we'll have gate hugging.
I don't think this is what we want.
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Del Narveux
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Posted - 2004.07.13 10:04:00 -
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I look at this from two perspectives. As a PvP enthusiast, it really sucks that me and my pals can jump into a system, bent on blood, and our target jumps to a safespot, never to be seen again that day. But on the other hand as a smalltimer and miner, I see that theyre essential to mining and getting past gate-ganks that dont care if were a band of mining noobs or an alliance battle fleet.
The problem I see with making safespots easily detectable is griefer gangs will just go from system to system, tracking down safespots and blowing up the secure cans and backup ships we leave there. Very, very bad news for all the smallish mining/industrial corps out there. I think this is a problem that will plague POS's as well, and basically make it so only huge corps/alliances with people online 24/7 could have one without it being ganked to hell by the roving lamers.
A possible solution I see is a very large, very expensive anchorable 'stealth field' that hides everything in a ~30km radius from scanners. Perhaps you could even make it so that a corp or individual can only have 1 of them. Thus, a mining op could establish a mess of cans at a safespot in their favorite system, but fighters couldnt just jump away in any system and escape being shot at. _________________ [SAK] And Proud Of It! aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base? |
Del Narveux
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Posted - 2004.07.13 10:04:00 -
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I look at this from two perspectives. As a PvP enthusiast, it really sucks that me and my pals can jump into a system, bent on blood, and our target jumps to a safespot, never to be seen again that day. But on the other hand as a smalltimer and miner, I see that theyre essential to mining and getting past gate-ganks that dont care if were a band of mining noobs or an alliance battle fleet.
The problem I see with making safespots easily detectable is griefer gangs will just go from system to system, tracking down safespots and blowing up the secure cans and backup ships we leave there. Very, very bad news for all the smallish mining/industrial corps out there. I think this is a problem that will plague POS's as well, and basically make it so only huge corps/alliances with people online 24/7 could have one without it being ganked to hell by the roving lamers.
A possible solution I see is a very large, very expensive anchorable 'stealth field' that hides everything in a ~30km radius from scanners. Perhaps you could even make it so that a corp or individual can only have 1 of them. Thus, a mining op could establish a mess of cans at a safespot in their favorite system, but fighters couldnt just jump away in any system and escape being shot at. _________________ [SAK] And Proud Of It! aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base? |
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